Monicks: Unleashed ~ Thinking Critically

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1. reverendbuki said:

   February 10, 2012 at 12:06 am

   Who said it? “If you could reason with religious people there would be no religious people”
   Ya know, if they would just keep it to themselves…
   Ah, but, that would be a miracle, no?

2. Richard said:

   March 4, 2012 at 2:08 pm

   I do find it odd that macro-evolution is so often associated with atheism, as it is simply irrelevant to belief or non-belief in any religious doctrine. It does not refute the existence of God nor does it refute the biblical creation account, for there are many ways in which to interpret Genesis. This is not a retreat in the face of modern science. Saint Augustine in the year 300 postured the possibility to interpret the six day creation as hundreds of thousands of years.

   If I am skeptical of evolution, it has literally nothing at all to do with theology. It is purely a scientific basis. For instance, that array of skulls is in no way indicative of one species changing into another. It is only indicative of micro-evolution. There have been full body fossils over the years, but I think all of them have been dismissed as hoaxes or rebuked in some way. Even if there were fossils, it would be impossible to determine genetic code by them, rendering all hypothesises unprovable and unfalsifiable. If properly researched and learnt, macro-evolution can never evolve into more than a belief system based on faith.

   Finally, in their remarkable book The Anthropic Cosmological Principle, Barrow and Tipler outline ten steps of macro-evolution that would require so much time that the sun would have literally burnt out before each one was executed. On this foundation I submit that if evolution did occur, it would be a miracle and therefore prove the existence of God.

   On the exterior, evolution may seem to be in alignment with atheism. But after dissection, it is demonstratably in alignment with theism.

3. reverendbuki said:

   March 5, 2012 at 12:12 am

   You are correct in saying that science can neither prove nor disprove the existence of a creator, but this is in no way it’s goal.
   Yet, evolution is occurring around us at the present in observable terms.
   Consider that the fastest land animal in the world preys almost exclusively on the second fastest land animal.
   This simple illustration is best explained by evolution’s tweaking of both animals in competition: The faster animal survives. After enough generations of faster and slower, we now have animals that can out-accelerate any other land animal on the planet, as well as my Honda. Ever watch a full-speed video of a cheetah hunt? Flat out speed combined with hairpin turning ability at top speed. Incredible stuff!
   Point being that evolution is not a painstakingly slow process, nor is a creator necessarily required for its process.
   We have birds that have adapted to warm weather that only 40 years ago were only seen in the transitional seasons of fall and spring, they’re everywhere, and their plummage is changing, they’ve stopped migrating and tend to stay in warmer climes year round. The reason? Suburban sprawl has created a food glut for these grazers. Canadian geese if you’re wondering.
   A blink of an eye, and a species is evolving into something other than what it was only a single human lifetime ago.
   The common household roach of today is immune to dozens of pesticides that it’s ancestor 20 years ago would have succumbed to. Pretty impressive evolving in my book.

4. Richard said:

   March 5, 2012 at 2:32 pm

   You are right, that is pretty cool. Though I do think it is evidence of micro-evolution rather than macro-evolution.

   However this is not to say that evolution did not occur. I may not have made it clear in my first comment, but I am agnostic in that issue. I was only curious as to why evolution is associated with atheism and theists take position against it. I was trying to indicate that it is simply irrelevant to religious stance.

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